Dark Biter 1/24th scale model

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   Hi, this is my first post on the site. My main interest is model boats especially MTBs and ASR's.

I am currently making Nautical Marine Models version of Dark Biter. I am trying to get information on two specific aspects of the the boat. First is the shape and position of the exhausts. I know they are on the sides hence the reason for the early paint job but I can find no close up pictures of them. They are not depicted on the model at all.

Second is the access to the cockpit. In the model there are ladder/steps at the rear of the superstructure between the side and the radar mast. However they lead to nothing. Does anybody know if there was a door or other access to the cockpit area.It would seem strange if the only way of getting from the cockpit to the deck was internal particularily as it would make the floor space in the cockpit limited. All the pictures of any of the Dark Class boats seem to be side on or from the forward quarter. I cannot seem to find any that show the rear of the superstructure?

Any help, pictures or diagrams would be appreciated.

Jeremy

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Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Dark Biter 1/24th scale model Posted: 04 March 2012 at 12:04pm
	Hi, this is my first post on the site. My main interest is model boats especially MTBs and ASR's. I am currently making Nautical Marine Models version of Dark Biter. I am trying to get information on two specific aspects of the the boat. First is the shape and position of the exhausts. I know they are on the sides hence the reason for the early paint job but I can find no close up pictures of them. They are not depicted on the model at all. Second is the access to the cockpit. In the model there are ladder/steps at the rear of the superstructure between the side and the radar mast. However they lead to nothing. Does anybody know if there was a door or other access to the cockpit area.It would seem strange if the only way of getting from the cockpit to the deck was internal particularily as it would make the floor space in the cockpit limited. All the pictures of any of the Dark Class boats seem to be side on or from the forward quarter. I cannot seem to find any that show the rear of the superstructure? Any help, pictures or diagrams would be appreciated. Jeremy

Pioneer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Pioneer Joined: 07 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 675	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pioneer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 8:19am
	There is quite an extensive thread on the Dark class on the Veterans Forum Here (2pages), with this particular model being reviewed HERE Edited by Pioneer - 05 March 2012 at 8:22am
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Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:31am
	Thanks for that. Ive seen both but stangely they do not cover the points I'm trying to check. The exhausts in the picture were specific to that boat and not to P1104. Never mind I will keep looking

Pioneer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Pioneer Joined: 07 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 675	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pioneer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:46am
	Although there are several images of the unique 'all welded Alloy' HMS Dark Scout, on page two of that first link there are a few images of a 'standard' Dark built for the Swedish navy plus some views of the lone Japanese 'Dark' PT9. These images show the positions of the exhausts both Port and St'bd.
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Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:07pm
	Ill have a closer look, many thanks

Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:21pm
	Found the exhausts now I only need access to the cockpit!!!!

Pioneer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Pioneer Joined: 07 December 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 675	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pioneer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:49pm
	On this web site there is a brief glimpse of the Bridge sroll down While this is a view of the Bridge of a model 'Gay' class - not too disimilar layout. Edited by Pioneer - 05 March 2012 at 12:56pm
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Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 March 2012 at 6:00pm
	Thanks for that. I actually found a slightly obscured shot of the Access Door on the Dark Class thread+ Nautical Marine Models also confirmed its existence. Not sure if Ill put it in but will certainly add the exhausts.

Jeremy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 March 2012 Location: Croxley Green Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeremy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2012 at 11:55am
	Dear Administrator my apologies but I just realised that there is a modelling section on the website where I should have posted this. Please move if you feel its appropriate? I have another question. What flags would have been flown on a dark Class when on day to day patrol and where would they be flown from?

peter m Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 19 August 2012 Location: male Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote peter m Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 August 2012 at 10:43pm
	re access to the cockpit. it is on the starboard. there is a photo on David Mills website. www.dave-mills.yolasite.com/saro-dark-class-mtbs.php I have just started to build NMModels kit but will do it as Dark Aggressor. Edited by Pioneer - 21 August 2012 at 8:30am