unknown MGBs

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   A German source mention MGB-214, MGB-246, MGB-252, MGB-254, MGB-256 and MGB-257 in various episodes of World War II. I found no other mention of those ships. Are they just a misprint of my German source ?

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dldldl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 01 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote dldldl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: unknown MGBs Posted: 02 November 2007 at 10:56am
	A German source mention MGB-214, MGB-246, MGB-252, MGB-254, MGB-256 and MGB-257 in various episodes of World War II. I found no other mention of those ships. Are they just a misprint of my German source ?

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 November 2007 at 6:22pm
	For M.G.B. read Fairmile B. didldl

Christian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 June 2005 Location: Gibraltar Status: Offline Points: 775	Post Options Post Reply Quote Christian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 November 2007 at 7:34pm
	Hmm, or MTB..... Fairmile B ML 214 was in Singapore and 246 in Burma so I think they were unlikely to figure in German reports.

dldldl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 01 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote dldldl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 November 2007 at 9:13pm
	Thanks for the answers. The incidents took place in European waters, so ML seems excluded. The incident with the so-called "MGB-214" happened in 1944, three years after the MTB-214 was sunk. We aren't out of the wood yet ...

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 November 2007 at 10:05pm
	I stand corrected gents!! and as you say 214 was a reported war loss in 1941 I suppose it is possible they also may have sunk a replacement boat in 1944, they seems to be a lot of confusion with Thornycroft boats or German recorded data!!!

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 November 2007 at 7:17pm
	When I first saw the numbers as I indicated I thought they could be Fairmiles however as Christian pointed out they could not be, after further investigation I now believe the numbers given by the Germans could be their P.T. boat numbers rather than R.N. as the number 214 is an ex U.S. Navy Higgins built 1942 and made available in 1944. They were given a R.N. M.G.B. range of numbers which runs from 177-192.

dldldl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 01 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote dldldl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 November 2007 at 9:10pm
	Clever idea, but it would work only for PT-214 - MGB-78. The other numbers doesn't fit with PTs transferred to Britain

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 November 2007 at 10:07am
	It would appear there is a mis-match of research info as I have Pt-214 in the M.G.B. 177-192 group along with Higgins Pt's 206,215,216,201,204,207,208,209,211,213,217,203,205,210,212 lend/lease 1944. M.G.B's 181-188 were transferred to the R.Y.N. in 1945 and 189,190,192,180 became C.T. 40,41,42, 43 respectively. I have M.G.B. 78 as a British Power Boat type and one of the first M.G.B's designed as such. 2-18'' were added later when they were converted to M.T.B's in 1943 although this would not apply to M.G.B. 78 as she was lost in the same year she was built 1942.

dldldl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 01 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote dldldl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 November 2007 at 12:00pm
	Sorry Tramontana: of course PT-214 became MBG-178 and not MGB-78 as I mistyped it above. For the other number (PT-246, 252, ...), they were not transferred to the Royal Navy, so that your idea seems not to work for them

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 November 2007 at 2:01pm
	just to recap in regards to your German source who have listed to you various M.G.B's The numbers you were given are all in the 200's, they do not match British M.G.B.'s. Neither do they match Fairmile B's, so they must be American manned P.T boats and the German source has classed them as an MGB rather than a P.T. BOAT and the the German source is wrong, My reason for giving you the other P.T. numbers is to show that the Americans made prolific use of the numbers 200 and onwards for it's boats whereas the R.N. used "batch" numbers for a group of boats and not in sequence, if you take British Power Boat built boats numbers they jump from say 50-67 and then the next "batch" is numbered 74-81. the Americans appear to have used sequential numbering when ordering/building their boats from the same yard.