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HMS Sabre

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Forum Name: Scimitar Class
Forum Description: Discussion on Scimitar Class
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Printed Date: 11 December 2018 at 4:43pm


Topic: HMS Sabre
Posted By: Dave
Subject: HMS Sabre
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 4:37pm

Hello to all,

I was so delighted to see the pictures of Sabre Restored in Germany as i was a crew member in the late 70's as navigators yeoman in the Royal Navy.

She gave me many memories and i thought that she was lost !!!

I was a crew member on Sabre when we broke down off the Hook of Holland and we had to return to Britain down the Dutch canals"what an experience" not to mention the numerous traing runs we carried out when stationed at Portland.I also remember when  Scimitar or Cutlass ran into the breakwater at the channel islands.

Do you know any former crew members ?

Regards

Dave



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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 21 March 2007 at 9:17pm

A rare shot of the whole class together - HMS Cutlass - HMS Scimtar and HMS Sabre (plus a peculier chopper)



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Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 22 March 2007 at 9:46pm

Hello,

 

Seeing the above shots, remember a colour poster of them at my sea cadet unit many moons ago now! and vague recollection of them appearing in a pop video with dancing girls along the hand rails! also appearing on a deck of recognition cards from my grand father, an ex naval officer who was a boy midshipman before the war, served during, and post war on mine sweepers.

John



Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 11:46pm

Hi Dave

I served on Sabre from 1972 to 1974 and enjoyed my time on her i was the engineer.

It was Sabre that hit the breakwater at Alderney and was put up for sale in 1982

Regards

Barry



Posted By: Dave
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 7:56am

Hi Barry,

Do you have any photographs or memorabilia of Sabre ?

I enjoyed my time as well totally different from being on HMS Glamorgan for 5 Years.

Regards

Dave



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Dave


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 1:21am

Hi Dave

I only have one photo of sabre in heavy seas and a pewter tankard that all the crew at the time had made and engraved. I see that many people think that it was scimitar that hit the breakwater in alderney but it was sabre, I have seen the photo of sabre after the restoration in germany, looks nothing like it. Soon I hope to be involved in the restoration in an RAF air sea rescue boat that is in sussex that belongs to a friend who I believe bought it from one of the crew who was on sabre the same time as me, this i have to confirm with a phone call but this person has the same name as the Po that was with me. 5 years on glamorgan, a long time, I was at sultan before I joined sabre and the tiff at the time only lives a few miles from me. my phone number is 01273 462127 or 07789676946 if you want a contact

regards

 Barry



Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 2:16pm

Hello Barry,

Hows about sharing that pic of 'Sabre in heavy seas?



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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 2:43pm
I think Sabre is the boat I found on a slipway on Cyprus, do you know any ex Andrew who live on Greek Cyprus who might be interested in looking for her?


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 2:48pm
Sorry, I have got it wrong if Sabre is in Germany, the boat I saw was certainly one of that class and I am interested in finding out which one, any Ex Andrew on Cyprus interested or going on holiday this year?


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 26 May 2007 at 10:40pm
I will post the pic of sabre but I have to cut it out of the frame first


Posted By: marksaab
Date Posted: 27 May 2007 at 7:03pm

Hi Barry

Try using a digital camera without the flash on and take a photo of your photo! It can be almost as good as a scan.

Mark



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Only yield when you must, never "give up the ship," but fight on to the last "with a stiff upper lip!"


Posted By: Dave
Date Posted: 30 May 2007 at 8:31pm

Hi Barry and All,

There seems to be confusion as to which one of the boat's Sabre/Scimitar and Cutlass hit  the harbour wall of one of the channel islands.

Barry you say it was Sabre and i believe it was Scimitar.

I have just searched the Scimitar class furum reply's and i am not alone thinking it was Scimitar hitting Alderney!!!

Or have two of them done the same ? at differnt times.

CAN ANYONE THROW ANY LIGHT ON THIS DEBATE PLEASE.

Regards

Dave 



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Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 1:53am

Hi Dave

 

To all those interested in these craft go to -  http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/scimitar_class.htm#HMS%20Sabre - www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/scimitar_class.htm#HMS%20Sabr e - then UK under major navies, then patrol craft, scroll down the page and you will find information and photo's on the 3 boats. I was told at the time that sabre had hit the breakwater at Alderney by the tiff I served most of my time with on sabre who lives a few miles from me. This happened in July 80. Also this was confirmed by a friend of mine who is a pilot who flys between Jersey and Guernsey, he spoke to the now harbour master who remembers it but was not the master at the time. Also if you look at the photo of sabre in germany after the refit you will notice a spray rail has been fitted, the boats all had a smooth line.

regards to all

Barry



Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 2:09am

Hi Dave

Barry again

sabre was sold on and renamed El Condor

regards

Barry



Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:50am

Members may have seen this picture before but I just found it whilst casually looking on the net



Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 11:56pm

Hi Rozm

The 3 boats normally were involved with the round britain power boat race when I was on Sabre.

I have been told by a helicopter engineer that the strange helicopter in the photo is a wasp, just as looks with dangling legs

regards

Barry



Posted By: barnacle
Date Posted: 12 August 2007 at 4:29pm
hi guys

I remember Scimitar, Sabre and Cutlass very well, worked with them numerous times whilst i was serving on the RAF RTTL 2757. We would hole up in either Dartmouth or Torquay overnight (2 boats in each) and then early morning slip out and make an FPB attack on the fleet in the channel.. back into Plymouth for fuel and then bat out of hell run to Falmouth to hide for a bit before another attack later in the day.. great fun

Just to add to the confusion.. i heard it was Cutlass that hit the harbour wall in Alderney.. ah well..

oh and the helicopter is definitely a Wasp... i got winched off the deck of 2754 in Gibraltar by one of those.. cant remember which frigate it came off tho, think it may have been the Brighton..


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 12 August 2007 at 5:24pm
The day you were dashing about would be a thursday, for the Navy's Thursday War!


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 14 August 2007 at 12:26am

hi barnacle

thought you might like to know as you were on 2757, we have 2751 at shoreham for refit back to external spec, not out of the water yet as we have to make a trailer to pull it up the slipway, the travel hoist is only 14 tons and a crane and strops are to expensive.

good to hear you enjoyed your days out with the RN boats. I remember those days from dartmouth and torquay. From portland we were out most days doing the same for a few hours.

 



Posted By: rafwebfoot
Date Posted: 15 August 2007 at 10:17am

Barryg

Thought I might let you know that I should have drawings for cradles and blocks for the 68ft RTTL. I will check tonight when I get home.



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Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 16 August 2007 at 12:07am

rafwebfoot

thanks would be helpful if you have something, will save a lot of working out



Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:23am

Hi all

 Pictures of Sabre early 1974 after her spell at gun boat yard haslar.

At the yard becuase we ran over a tree of Portland one night and damaged the epoxy coating on the hull and damaged both props, the tree was cut in 3. The hull was stripped back and 3 coats of epoxy applied also new stainless props were fitted as a trial, giving us a top speed of 42 knots, the fastest of the 3 boats at the time.



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Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:24am


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:44am
The following photos were lent to me by the harbour master at the time of sabre's collision at Alderney. Sabre's No. was P275 and this can be seen on the photo. The skipper at the time was Bill Andrews who wrote on the back of one of the photo's, I will never forget Alderney breakwater, and signed both photo's. All the crew we moved of the boat and Bill was left on the boat for 15 days on his own, he was then flown of for court martial and reprimanded. He was given a new post after this behind a desk as chief of navigation.


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:45am


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:45am


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:46am


Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 7:54am
What a great set of pictures - thank you 'barryg' for sharing them with us - Clearly identifies the boat involved in this 'infamous' accident.  

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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 2:43pm
I agree a great set of pictures especially the overhead shot's, mind you a lot less embarassing than colliding with a London Bridge on a Frigate with hundred's of people watching rather than a few fisherman and a couple of seagulls as well as the ever lurking person who just happen's to have a camera with him


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 21 September 2007 at 12:06am

If I recieve any more from Alderney I will post them. The first two photo's always hang with pride on my wall, only 12 sets were ever printed one for each crew member along with a pewter tankard.

 



Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 21 September 2007 at 8:29am

Hi there,

 

Indeed, incredable shots of the accident but shows how well built she is to survive! saw a shot a the BMPT a few years back of a wartime vessel with the bows blown off by a mine, killed the poor chap on the foredeck, but she got back, did they run them astern? bit choppy but less risk I think.

 

JohnK



Posted By: Cooperman
Date Posted: 16 September 2010 at 8:23pm
It would be very difficult for the Scimitar to hit Alderney as at the time she was in Hong Kong.  The crew of the Scimitar flew to Hong Kong and crewed the Scimitar  which was shipped out  to track down some of the drug smugglers who were running fast boats. Then they changed crew with the Sabre.   The crew of Sabre flew to Hong Kong. The Scimitar  crew then took over the running of the Sabre and it was they who were responsible for running the Sabre into a large part of Alderney.  The Courts Martial took place in HMS Nelson.  HMS Sabre was for a while seen on the slipway at Portland and was known as HMS Bowless.  


Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 18 September 2010 at 1:06pm
Many thanks for the update,
 
Johnk


Posted By: Nauvtikos
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:13pm
A new member on here & a bit of an update as far as I have been advised.
I have recently become re aquainted with the wife of an old friend who was on the same mech's course as me in 1975 & also with me on Glamorgan afterwards. Bob (Gatland)
sadly passed away some seven years ago but his widow advises me that he was Chief of the boat prior to her departure to Hong Kong & accompanied her also (by mechant man) for the journey there, She would seem to confirm that it was infact the Sabre that hit the jetty in Alderney.


Posted By: marenostrum
Date Posted: 12 January 2011 at 11:20pm
Hello.
I am told that during the second half of the 80's, a class Brave abandoned by the Royal Navy, with civilian crew and loads of contraband cigarettes, was captured in the Ionian Sea, after several rounds of 20 mm Oerlikon went to sign on the apparatus engine .
A 20 mm away the jaw of the captain, the vessel's name was Victoria I below.
As soon as I possibly can and will post more detailed information at least one photo.
 


Posted By: marenostrum
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 12:33am
... This is a Scimitar seized and auctioned off, converted into a restaurant !!!!!
  http://www.pesceazzurro.com/index.aspx?Id=8424&IdLingua=IT - http://www.pesceazzurro.com/index.aspx?Id=8424&IdLingua=IT
Some are active in Greece, specifically in Corfu for cruise tourism
  http://www.ionian-cruises.com/fleet.htm - http://www.ionian-cruises.com/fleet.htm


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Posted By: marenostrum
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 12:46am
This has the hull is very similar.
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Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 13 January 2011 at 12:51pm
Hi there,
 
Great shots of the Italian customs? vessels, very nice, well the resturant is a bit of a change shall we say, but better than the scrap yard, could not recognize the ferry vessels, but as with the resturant, much altered I would assume, if I may say publicily, excellent publication received from John a "The Morgan Giles Shipyard" by GK Collyer, fantastic pics of coastal craft and others built there, including the Fairmile D....many thanks,
 
Regards
 
John


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 1:32pm
Hello All. I have read all the posts on the Scimitar,Cutlass and Sabre and would like you to know my involvement. I was subcontracted to the yard that purchased these craft from RN. The first two needed very little work when they made their departure to new owners in the Med. HMS Sabre I had to loft full size from Bulkhead 13 on the factory floor from Photos as no drawings were avaiable. all frames of 2" thick Iroko The laminated Stem also Iroko was over 30 ft. long.However I had to leave the planking job and let it  be finished by another sub contractor.I did see the finished job before she went to the Med. The odd thing is I had heard through the grapevine that she had been sunk off the coast of Italy. I enjoyed my time in this yard. Working on various ex naval craft. A number of Nasty(Tjelde) class and prior to my time many ex Rn craft including Gay.Dark, Bold and Brave class passed through.
Happy Days


Posted By: dutchy
Date Posted: 16 March 2012 at 1:24pm
Dear Dave,
I've Only just discovered this site, But I should like to say I was the first stoker to serve aboard HMS SABRE. My name is Anthony Holland ( DUCHY)
I, like all the crew stood by the boat as she was being fitted out at Vosper Thorny-croft, and then went on to do the sea trails. 1971
and at HMS VERNON 4thof March she was commissioned, she was  good boat with a good crew. ( Please find attachments).
 
Had some good times, left in 1973 because of an injury, I,ve left the RN  and have been a Design draughtsman ever since.
 
Good Times, though I often wonder about how the all lads done after they did their stint.
 
It brings Back some memories, covered in diesel, lying down on your back, and making smoke by pressing a button.
 
Anyway just thought I'd mention it.
 
Well I wish you good fortune.
 
And say farewell.
 
A J Holland


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Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 16 March 2012 at 1:53pm
Hi Anthony,
 
Many thanks for your update, always great to hear from the people who served on board these craft,
 
Johnk


Posted By: Barryg
Date Posted: 17 March 2012 at 9:45pm
Hi Antony
You must have been on there with Nobby Clark as the Tiff, was it you that fell down the stairs.
Barry Gathern


Posted By: dutchy
Date Posted: 19 March 2012 at 12:12pm

To anyone concerned,

 

I've Only just discovered this site, but I should like to say I was the first stoker to serve aboard HMS SABRE. My name is Anthony Holland ( DUCHY)

 

I, like all the crew stood by the boat as she was being fitted out at Vosper Thorny-croft, and then went on to do the sea trails.

 

And In 1971 and at HMS VERNON 4thof March she was commissioned, she was good boat with a good crew. (Please find attachments).

Had some good times, left in 1973 because of an injury, I’ve left the RN and have been a Design draughtsman ever since.

Good Times, though I often wonder about how the all lads done after they did their stint.

 

It brings back some memories, covered in diesel lying down on your back, and making smoke.

 

 

 



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Posted By: dutchy
Date Posted: 19 March 2012 at 12:51pm

To anyone concerned,

the Original and and first crew were

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Capt----------------------------- lientenant N.Westberg

Sub lientenant  G.R Hoyle-------------------------First lieutenant.  

Chief of Boat-------------------------------- A Clark (Nobby Clark)- good tiff

Coxswain-----------------------------------------M.J Nethercott 

Second Engineer--------------------------------- P.O M E K.D Muldowny

Radio Engineer---------------------------------------LREM   T.E Abson

Mechanic-------------------------------------------LMEM  A .J Holland

Electrical Engineer-----------------------------------OEM Gragg

Boatsuns Mate----------------------------------------------AB G.Pini

Navigator's Yeoman---------------------------------------------A.B B.Hook

Gunners Yeoman------------------------------------------------AB G Smithmith.I've Only just discovered this site, but I should like to say I was the first stoker to serve aboard HMS SABRE. My name is Anthony Holland ( DUCHY)

I, like all the crew stood by the boat as she was being fitted out at Vosper Thorny-croft, and then went on to do the sea trails.

And In 1971 and at HMS VERNON 4thof March she was commissioned, she was good boat with a good crew. (Please find attachments).

Had some good times, left in 1973 because of an injury, I’ve left the RN in 1975 and have been a Design draughtsman ever since.

Good Times, though I often wonder about how the all lads did after they did their stint.

It brings back some memories, covered in diesel lying down on your back, and making smoke.---------------------see yer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: Arffa
Date Posted: 05 April 2012 at 9:20pm
Hello People,
I was the Nav's Yeo on Cutlass up until the sqaudron was disbanded, then 3 of us were lucky enough to be given P1200 to play with,
 
Would be nice to track down any of my crew mates from then, I'm the goodlooking one with sun glasses onLOL 


Posted By: marenostrum
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 5:55pm
..Beautiful pictures and congratulations for the look of the beat generationClap
Happy Easter all!!


Posted By: Craggy
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 10:34am
Hi All, especially Duchy Holland.
I just found this website and am glad to see all the posts. I was the first greenie on the Sabre and concur with Duchy on the crew. I really enjoyed my stint on the Sabre and was the best years of my 25 years in the Navy. I am still going strong living and working in Abu Dhabi. If anyone wants to contact Eggy Eagling, the first greenie on Scimitar, I have his contact details so contact me.
Mick Cragg at the time but now Mike.


Posted By: johnk
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 4:51pm
Hi there,

Great to hear from you guys who served aboard, think posted before, had a set of cards ex RN of vessels of the RN 1970's, large pack then!, and there was Cutlass, Sabre and Scimitar, poster of one on the wall at my sea cadet unit, and finally recall a pop video of them going in line, with dancing girls aboard, one hand firmly planted on the hand rail though! sure not a dream last? many thanks,

Johnk


Posted By: Little Tony
Date Posted: 30 March 2016 at 5:40pm
I think this was cutlass I remember my boss at the time going out to inspect the boat for damage



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