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Christian 
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 Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:13pm |
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Hi Don I'll get busy with the camera tomorrow. All The Best,Christian |
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dgray
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:24pm |
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Thanks Christian. You can email them to don@rania.co.uk if you wish.
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dgray
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Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:25pm |
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I put my mobile number on last email. It rarely works aroiund the house here.
My other number is 01842 829000. Sorry for any confusion. Regards Don |
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Christian
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 6:15pm |
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Interior shots of Flywood and an example of damaged topsides planking below deck edge Edited by Christian |
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dgray
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Posted: 22 May 2006 at 9:41pm |
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Hi Christian,
Glad she's sold to a group to restore. It's really the only way forward for bigger craft as I think very few individuals can afford to restore ( and crew) a big old service boat. I know I am banging this drum a bit but boats are being lost because individuals care enough to try to save them. They buy a boat to save,eventually run out of money/time and the boats start to rot as no one else except perhaps trusts or museums can afford to take them on. I've had few prople calling me, enquiring about setting up a group to buy an old boat to restore and use. I suggest the same ownership lines as a modern boat share but everyone has 52 weeks of the year ( we need a crew!!). Everyone owns their share which can be bought and sold so ownership can change over time and a value put on the investment. Threre is no reason that other people couldn't join as non paying members and enjoy trips and work parties. It should be a social project with social outings. My ideal plan would be to get a group of 10 or 12 and agree to buy a boat (say a HDML/Pinnace or similar) and refit it to a safe original (exterior) condition with modern navaids. I know MTB's and other fast craft are (much) more glamorous but a HDML can run forever on her old Gardeners (and they are still available from time to time). I did some basic research on big diesels for an MTB - 1000hp or more and the cost was frightening - £60,000 to £120,000. A bit too rich for me. I think it possible for £10k-12k each to do this boat share. Maybe a lot less. There are currently a few hdml's for sale in fair to good condition (thanks for the info!). Running costs of £2-3k each should cover basic maintenance/ moorings and insurance. I think there are quite a few people who would be interested in setting up a group like this near where they live. If they want to email me, I'll happily put them together both regionally or by craft. I'm in mid Norfolk but I'd be interested in a boat on the East coast, in Essex/Suffolk/Norfolk counties. My email for anyone interested is don@rania.co.uk If you are interested in starting/joining a group as an owner or as a helper then please email me. Also, if you have a boat to sell please email me (confidentially if you like). I'll try to put you together. If I get some emails, I'll set up a new forum for interested parties. I'll also be willing to advertise in some boat magazines as there are a lot of people who might be interested who know nothing of the trust and the forums. If (in any advert) I refereed to the forum the trust might get a load of new members. Just a thought. Apologies for the long message. Regards Don |
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Christian
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 7:38pm |
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Hi Don Flywood is sold. Looks like a buyer for the ST in "Where are those boats now"-Bobster is looking for one. Dad has finally agreed to take offers on the MASB,he says meet him halfway at £42500 and you have a deal.Come and take her out for a spin,you will leave the proud owner of the finest remaining example of a Whaleback,no question.Also she can travel from here to wherever you like on her own keel,no problem. Regards,Christian Edited by Christian |
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S R Wilson
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Posted: 22 January 2007 at 12:14pm |
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Hi All, Just to put in my twopenneth about boat ownership! I think that the real problem is a bit like being a school boy wanting to be a train driver, (showing my age I know) we see ourslves doing all the great things, driving the loco,or standing on the bridge with the power on and all that goes with that immage. That is great when it happens BUT it takes a hell of a lot of blood sweat and tears to actually get there. Blood sweat and tears also equates to a lot of money, not to buy the boat in the first place, though that is not cheap but if you start to add up the running costs..........well just don't or you won't be able to afford it. Very few of us are suffuicently well heeled to go out and buy a WW2 boat and then just pay someone else to maintain it for us. In any event that may not be the best enjoymentof what we have, so we have to attack it another way.Don's idea of volenteers paying OR working OR both is not one that I have seen before but it sounds good to me. If we take the view and I do, that these boats deserved to be preserved in working condition then it seems to me that Joiunt Ownership is the only way forward. That is the only way the I can see myself as an ordinary working individual being able to fulfill the dream of being aboard the boat my dreams, an MTB at full speed on open water. That of course is a selfish view. However preservastion like this is also the only way, in my view, to keep history alive, intresting and relervant. So what is the point of this waffle well simply to say I think Don has a great scheme and that it should be supported. |
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 3:26pm |
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Hello, I have just read through the previous entries and thought I may add my tuppence worth. I have just bought RTTL 2751 Phoenix and intend to restore her to original external condition with a modern comfortable interior and navigation suite. I sold my house to buy her so the interior will be for me to live in when I return to England on a weekly basis (I work in Guernsey) and 2751 will be based at Brighton Marina after the refit. As mentioned by Dgray and others purchasing and maintaining a large timber built boat is very expensive. She will also be re-engined to deliver original performance meaning further expense (currently looking at 2 x 1400hp Detroit Diesel 2-strokes for the job, £30,000 for the pair!). The only way I can see to offset this cost is to allow her to pay for herself in the form of charter trips, which is something a charitable trust cannot do. Another way of raising funding for the refit is simply raising a mortgage on the vessel. The mortgage companies require an out of water survey which is something that at present cannot be offered due the her being on a tidal pontoon mud birth. Should anyone have dealings with a sympathetic mortgage company that deals with wooden boats then please let me know. I know of two but its good to get a spread of information. Given the passion expressed about saving historic craft on this website and others I expect there to be quite a few people that would gather a group of 12 to charter a boat such as this for a day trip to France or just a spin around the bay at high speed. There is also the possibility of film work and invites to boat shows, regattas etc. to further mitigate expenses. I also believe the general public will show an interest as this is likely to be a unique offering in Britain. She is currently in Porchester and will be motored to Guernsey for the refit quite soon. We are waiting for a spell of decent weather for the move. If any of the forum members are based in Guernsey please look me up. She will most likely be based in St. Sampsons marina on the Bosom or nearby when room permits. 2751 Phoenix is currently on a private birth in Porchester and the yard owner takes unkindly to uninvited visitors but if anyone is interested she can be viewed from the Wicor playing fields. A76NJK
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:13pm |
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A76NJK When she is finished or even back in the uk i for one will definatly want a trip and the like. Great to see someone restoring sympatheticly. Cant wait. |
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Mike taylor
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Posted: 08 March 2007 at 5:55pm |
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Hi everyone I have just taken on the role of editor of 'Yardarm' which is a regular news section attached to the BPBT web site If anyone has a story of a restoration project, boat share or someone who owns and runs a craft we can feature please let me know with details and pics if possible please
Mike Taylor email: bridgerway@yahoo.co.uk
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