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    Posted: 27 April 2007 at 2:25pm

 

A neighbour of mine is selling ex-RAF General Purpose Pinnace ASRP 1218, I can get more information or as many pictures as anyone wants.  I do know a full history, both its service and civilian use is available, if anyone is interested I can post more.

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I would love to know the price and condition of this vessel cheers.
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ASRP 1218 has been used as a houseboat for about ten years, prior to that as a motor yacht.  The latter years have unfortunately seen some neglect but prior to that she was extremely well maintained as testified by a survey report dated 1997 and subsequent re-fit.

 

Despite being kept on the Thames and thus in fresh water the hull is remarkably sound and water tight.  She does leak through the roof but almost none through the hull itself.  I have lifted all the floors I can and inspected her timbers and tested with a ball pien hammer and they ring true.  There is some softness around the waterline but as far as you can tell without slipping the boat out of the water the hull is ok.

 

Some of the up-stands on the superstructure are in a poor state especially the supports of the engine room roof.  The roofs themselves have been fibre-glassed and are quite serviceable despite the poor condition of the paintwork.

 

The decks were in 1997 laid with teak, some of this needs re-caulking.

The engines, although not the originals fitted in 1942 are still Perkins S6M diesels.  The centre engine has been removed (although the shaft is still in place) to allow greater access to the aft part of the boat.  The engines have not been run for at least five years so the condition is unknown.  The gearbox, manifold and I think a few other parts of the centre engine remain as spares.

 

Although the boat has been a live-aboard houseboat for a number of years the interior layout of the boat has not been altered and has much of the wheelhouse remaining either original or at least very 1950’s period.

 

The current owner is not in the country but has left instructions to sell.  His asking price is twenty-five thousand pounds but I would of thought he would be flexible on the price.  The boat is crying out for some love and attention and unless it receives some work soon I think it will rapidly deteriorate which will be a tragedy.

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Hi Chris,

 

Welcome aboard, very interesting re the GSP, hope as ever someone will take her on and she is not lost, consider putting her on the boats for sale section of this site, appreciate perhaps members of the forum might want a crack at her first, but then if not, perhaps a wider audiance might see her on boats for sale, just a suggestion.

 

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Hello ,Chris, John

Yup I agree with your comments I hope someone does inded take her and fixes her up. A little too expensive for my tastes.

She is a ASRP mk1b not a GSP like the 1262. Main difference is she would have been had a fly bridge. And a large hatch in the rear med bay for lowering rescued personnel into with the aid of her boom and winch.

1218 Built by Western Marine (at pwllheli) 21.03.43 transferred to Admiralty for disposals 24.12.46

Info courtesy of RAF marine craft Historian Donald Smith.

I believe that the H&D rescue craft had to operate as slow speed in bad whether, hence it was decided to fit the GS pinnace out as a low speed rescue craft to replace them in these situations. Unfortunately once in service it was found that they took too much water over the stern to operate comfortably in bad weather.

So most of them were transferred to out of the way places ( like the west coast of Scotland) where they could operate in better weather in company of other ASR vessels. I assume there was less chance of being attacked in remote areas. Hence safer to operate slower vessels.

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I hesitate to suggest this, but my sources state that the 1219 was in fact built at Walton Marine Craft.  Western Yacht Works, Pwllheli was the leading yard for this class of vessel and was often erroneously given as the builder when another of the numerous yards that built these vessels had in fact been responsible.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris_Hanley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 August 2007 at 1:51pm

I have persuaded the owner of ASRP 1218 to lower the price to what is a probably more realistic level.  I think he will accept any offer around £12000. 

 

Not knowing much about this sort of thing, would the members think this is a reasonable price and where would they suggest I advertise her or even advise how I can add her to the “For Sale” listings on this site.

 

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Hi Chris,

Send me the details to

 

pathfinder@safemariner.co.uk

and we will put on the for sale site.

A couple of inside pics will do.

Also who to phone if interested.. 

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hi folks,

The ASR Pinnace was a stopgap design as wartime builders could not meet the required delivery for HSLs. It had nothing to do with the seakeeping qualities of the Hants & Dorsets as they had not even been built at the time the Air Ministry decided to convert some GS Pinnaces for ASR work. Although Western Marine built a number of these craft, the lead yard was Groves & Gutteridge, and they subcontracted the work to various other yards.

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Perhaps I didn’t come across properly, I meant to say that if a high speed vessel had to slow down in bad weather than you may as well use a slow speed vessel that can maintain the same speed. Nothing against the sea keeping abilities of any vessel. So the Pinnace would be suitable to convert as bad 'weather' ASR as they were (relatively) slow. As you say this was until suitable replacements were found.

Of course I meant HSL's not H&D. my mistake.

Hence they were perhaps suitable to be used in bad weather and supplement other vessels.

Would I be right to say the Pinnace took a lot of weather over the stern in bad weather. So as soon as replacements were ready they were used.? It would be interesting to see if any of the ASR service records show they were moved as better boats became available.

This raises an interesting question for me. Was the construction of HSLs limited to specialist yards? E.G wouldn’t it have been easier to simply construct HSLs instead of pinnaces? I know from the info you sent me some pinnaces were converted and finished as ASR vessels. But then further vessels were laid down as ASR Pinnaces, Why not simply build HSLs?



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