Naval steamboat T4

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   Hi All,
Just trying to get this posted! system playing up, agree money is the problem, if you can get on the historic register, small grants available, not a lot but worth a look.

Johnk

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johnk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1355	Post Options Post Reply Quote johnk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 February 2008 at 6:28pm
	Hi All, Just trying to get this posted! system playing up, agree money is the problem, if you can get on the historic register, small grants available, not a lot but worth a look. Johnk

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	There are lifting rings bolted to the keelson fore and aft. The stempost is a third of the way back from the bow, with a large metal hinged pin next to it. Their is evidence of an older much lower deck in the bow, and what appears to be a bracket for steps to the front deck. It has a copper lined bilge, stern tube and bronze propeller. Current theory most popular to date built ww1 and refitted ww11.

northeastuser Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 446	Post Options Post Reply Quote northeastuser Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 February 2008 at 7:43pm
	Do the oak ribs in the hull stop short of the caping rail?E.G at what looks like a beam shelf about 12inches down the hull? How wide?

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	BW have given the boat historic boat status does that count, for im sure its a good un

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	Its beam is 13 footish. Yeah i now what you mean, and the beam shelf is in good condition if not the ribs.

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	The ribs go behind the coping rail for a bit i think, i will check tomorrow. You can see the ribs and the rail on the above photo i think, will post new pictures tomorrow hopefully of engine well etc.

northeastuser Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 446	Post Options Post Reply Quote northeastuser Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:45pm
	ok,the old pre 1900 style of ships barge was often rigged for sale, steam and rowing.The size may help to narrow it down. If it had a removable stem boiler/engine there would be traces left. The timber the ribs end on, is it flat sided or has it a slope on the upper inner endge?you will know what i mean if it has one. Edited by northeastuser

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	The top of the beam shelf angles down and backwards towards the hull planking, if this is square cut and because of the angle of the hull it slopes back or because the timber is angled i would have to check. send me your email address and i can send you the pictures hi-res.

northeastuser Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 446	Post Options Post Reply Quote northeastuser Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 February 2008 at 10:25am
	Have pm’d my email. In 1890 a series of steam barges were constructed of 40,these were followed by 45fters. The lifting stops of these were steel plates with angle iron above forming a channel as a guide for the lifting hawser/cable. There was 3 lifting positions, One forward , one amidships and one aft. On the drawing is have of the older 40ft class the stern lifting position was changed due I suspect to the inability of bolting through the porp tunnel. There was a split in the cable, one going to the keel and one going to a lifting ring in the stern post. Ring any bells? Of course there was 45ft stem pinnaces in use just after 1900. You need to contact the national maritime museum and ask for plans of vessels of a similar size. Picket boats were also of a similar size. Having said that I’m just going by a few books I have here. I’m no expert. The lined bilges is interesting and may be a good clue as to its use.

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 February 2008 at 4:36pm
	In your books n.e.u. does it say as to whether they copper lined the bilges under the boiler/ steam engine area? it may be what's left of the bouyancy tanks or fresh water tank T4, any numbers on the stem post or the inside of her transom, if she was a former steam job she may still retain a special valve on the hull made by Dewrance it is unlike any normal sea water intake or outlet v/v as it has a safety key cage around it and a square top, what do B.W. think the boat is if they have it listed? Questions, Questions, Questions, she is certainly an interesting old boat for people like ourselves to look at.