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Keep Red Diesel, Online Petition

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Topic: Keep Red Diesel, Online Petition
Posted By: dgray
Subject: Keep Red Diesel, Online Petition
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 12:23pm
There is a Government (Beta) e-Petition system in place where petitions to the Prime Minister can be created and signed online.

There is one online that begs for keeping the subsidy on red diesel for pleasure craft ( among some other belters).

Please sign up if  you are interested at:

            http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/list/open?cat=692

Cheers


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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?



Replies:
Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 2:40pm

Brilliant idea, as I have an interest in Biodiesel too I signed that petition too, I'm of the opinion that tax should be removed from biodiesel, afterall it's pretty close to renewable, whereas lpg which still comes from the ground and is adding to global warming has 20p less tax p/l ! Everyone should be signing thye red diesel petition though, without tax advantages for red diesel these boats will become even more expensive to run!



Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 4:29pm

Bio diesel is a rip off!!Just use veg oil and inform vat man and pay the duty due.Its cheaper than bio! Well so iv been told

 



Posted By: rozm2
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 4:52pm

Cost of making biodiesel, assuming 20p per l for the used cooking oil is around 30p per litre, it's a direct substitute for petro-diesel, veg oil on it's own is too viscous to use and also gradually forms deposits on the injectors, tax on veg oil is the same as on biodiesel, they should both be abolished completley in my opinion! To sum it up veg oil isn't as good for the engine as veg oil and in winter is even worse since it needs pre heating to allow it to flow better, pros and cons to both, plenty of info on the net, which I'd definitley recomend reading, very interesting, if it has 0 tax on then all boat users would be happy cos they'd use it and environmentalist's would be happy since a good chunk of diesel used would be biodiesel, seems win win (oh other than the government, but still, if they're seen as green perhaps tax could be collected somehwere else?)

 

Sorry.....um.....WW2 boats, yes...not really relevant but perhaps how to fuel them is a consideration, considering red diesel could no longer be an option, looking at Christian's fuel consumption figures for some and HDML or MASB 32, around 25l per hour would be about right, 85p per litre means it'd cost £20 per hour in fuel alone to run these boats, biodiesel, at 60p per litre, including tax, even now begins to look alright, but maybe whilst red diesel is still available at around 1/2 of our 85p per l! Who knows!



Posted By: dgray
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 5:15pm
It's very likely that old WW2 boats would be exempt from the levy as they are/were not pleasure craft and so should not come under  the directive.    I'm sure Medusa and MTB102 would not be affected.

If this isn't the case or it doesn't apply to your  boat because of it's use,  the issue of how to fuel them is as relevant to WW2 boats as it is to ..um...any boat.






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Don


Only a number, not even a name. How shall posterity hear of thy fame?


Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 5:23pm

Have to admit iv been running veg oil in my transit for about a year now. No problems what so ever. I even have one of the older diesel engine that has no glow plugs. Though I do run on diesel every now and then when I can’t be bothered to sort out the Veg oil. My van runs a dam sight better (quieter and more power) on veg oil than it does on diesel. I seam to remember that veg oil burns better than diesel and so drops less soot in your engine. I just drive along making everyone hungry as I smell like a chip shop! Hartlepool to london and back for 30 quid..600 miles!!( that has to good for the enviroment)The commercial bio has chemical additives to stop it smelling. But yes iv signed the petition as well.



Posted By: S R Wilson
Date Posted: 19 January 2007 at 7:33pm
I think I must have followed northeast user on his trip to London. Never did find the chip shop!!!

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SRW
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Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 12:22am

 There is one way if you dont mind a bit of travelling.

 Most russian army truck engines are designed to run on petrol diesel mix but run on practically anything.

 Wrong fill ups happen all the time (including petrol station tanks) & the mixed fuel has to be disposed of as a hazardous chemical. Offer to take it away & most people will be glad to give it, petrol stations may pay you to remove.

 Theyre also pretty reliable as saddam buried his scud launchers in the desert & they still ran when needed, try doing that with a rolls royce eagle.

 Just one of many strange ideas that find their way to my inbox but this one may have a point as a guy in cambridge runs a gaz truck for free. Not tried it but going to look into. After all, cooking oil was laughed at until some bearded scientist admitted he'd been running a volvo diesel on it for two years.

 Of course if i'm wrong i prefer my hat medium rare



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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 9:41am

Up to last year I had been running my car on a bio diesel product manufactured by "Bio-Power UK". This was made from used cooking oil, but not in the usual way, no catalysts or nasty chemicals are used, really just cleaning, settling and adding a small amount of "something" to it to lower the viscosity.  The car ran fine on this fuel though he did recommend using part petro diesel if the engine had no fuel heater. I was quite happy with this and felt that I was doing a little towards the global warming problem and also using up a waste product, and, the necessary tax was paid, though I agree with Mark that the tax on it should be removed. I gather that other countries, I think Germany for instance, allow the use of cooking oil as car fuel without any tax, why can't we?

I stopped using the fuel when my supplier had health and then workshop  problems. He's still not sorted things out yet, but I'll be back using his fuel when he does.

Oh yes, I've signed the petition!

 



Posted By: clive
Date Posted: 23 March 2007 at 10:53am

Hi all,

I got this this the other day thought I would pass it on

Wednesday 21st March 2007

BMF Member Special Edition - Red Diesel Update

BMF & RYA WELCOME BUDGET ANNOUNCEMENT ON RED DIESEL

The British Marine Federation (BMF) and RYA have today welcomed the Government's proposals for the implementation of the new regime for duty payments on red diesel used by private recreational craft.

In today's Budget statement (Wednesday 21 March) the Chancellor announced plans to implement the ending of the derogation on fuel duty, in line with the recent EU directive. From 1 November 2008 fuel used for the purposes of private pleasure boating will no longer benefit from the current reduced and exempt rates of duty. In addition, a formal consultation on new regimes will be held later in the year.

The Chancellor's decision means that the current infrastructure for diesel fuel storage and sale can remain in place until 1 November 2008.

"We welcome the decision to consult on the new regime and to keep existing arrangements in place during the consultation period" says the RYA's Government Affairs Advisor, Neil Northmore, who has led the Association's involvement in the campaign. "While Brussels' original decision to end the derogation was disappointing, the UK Government has listened to our concerns."

BMF Executive Director Howard Pridding commented "I am pleased that the Government has listened to our case for a lengthy transitional period in order for industry to manage the infrastructure changes that will be required. The implementation date of 1 November 2008 will give marine businesses the time to plan and budget for that change. We will continue to work with Government over the coming months as they develop the detail of the new legislation."

Further updates on the implementation and consultation will be communicated to all BMF members as and when they happen.



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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 23 March 2007 at 10:59am
And 'they' welcome it??

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Pioneer - Forum Moderator


Posted By: jimmy p
Date Posted: 23 March 2007 at 8:21pm

 This is getting ridiculous! there are only 2 things i can think of that arent taxed, i wont mention them in case our good chancellor(wasnt hitler chancellor as well) is listening.

 Of the few surviving boats you have to wander how many will end up simply dumped because new owners are put off by running costs. know it wont count for 506, 102 ect.

 Somehow i can see all these boats smelling like chip shops as they fly past the fibreglass tubs.

 Europe, treaties....Cant we call harold wilson a traitor for signing up & get back to being British? Better not get started on Europe, it winds me up



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A boat is a hole in the water surrounded by wood, into which one throws money


Posted By: S R Wilson
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 1:47pm

Sorry but am, I the only one that thinks the Government of this Country is not

"of the people by the people for the people",

but rather of the people for the tony by the tony.

The Government a couple of years ago spent a lot of time and money producing a report that has rubbished our Maritime Heritage and the National collection of Historic Ships and has decided that it can be left to private owners and the National Lottery, which of course is being plundered for the olympic over spend during the next 6 years anyway.

It makes me so angry!!!!!



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SRW
"Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy" WSC.



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 19 May 2007 at 2:59pm
Shame you can't get your boats to Egypt to fill up on fuel- I've heard it's still about 6p a litre over there! A lot of boaters head from here to Egypt to top up before either going through to the Red Sea or up the length of the Med.
Might have to look at the feasibility of running Transmare on Biodisel.
On the topic of costs per hour to run- a boat not to far away from ours costs about 180 cyp pounds per hour... seriously under powered engines in a way too heavy boat!!! And our fuel price is about 58 cents per litre...



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