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Forum Description: Discussion on Pinnace Class
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Printed Date: 26 March 2026 at 4:07pm


Topic: Pinnace
Posted By: BoatBird
Subject: Pinnace
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 4:06pm

Hi all

Hubbie and I are the proud owners of an ex-admiralty pinnace that we would very much appreciate finding out about!

She was built by Rowhedge Ironworks in Essex c.1911, decommissioned 1947 and converted to a two-masted gaff-rigged yacht with a 6.5l BMC marinised diesel engine. She is (we have been told) larch on oak and iron, diagonal planked.

She has some origianl fittings- wheel with brass trim, bell, two barometers and clock. Above the entrance to the galley is wooden board with an ID number on it of 82755. In the forepeak is a through deck fitting where we beleive a gun turret may have been, and there are several through-hull fittings in the saloon.

Her name is Transmare and she is registered in Gloucester- we were told that she served as a ferry.

She is the oldestboat that we can find by Rowhedge Ironworks and I will be returning to the UK in a couple of weeks with the hopeful aim of raiding the archives of the company held at the University of Essex Library in Colchester.

We are living aboard the boat in Pafos, Cyprus. Photos can be seen on my website :) but here is one to start...




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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 4:17pm

Hello Boatbird

Welcome aboard.

I have seen your website and the pictures of your home "Transmare" do you great credit (lucky girl). Regarding your attempt to 'up-load' pictures here I'm afraid that it was not successful - although you may be able to see the picture on your display - all I can see is a liitle red cross in a small box, while clicking it does not open it up. I would suggest that you try the method of getting the Image down to 50k or less in JPEG then follow the instructions as stated in the Forum opening pages.

As far as the info that you require I am sure that eventually one of 'our' brains will be able to help.

Best Regards 



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Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 4:18pm
OOOPS!! I can see it clearly now

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Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 4:29pm
S'ok... as soon as I looked at my message I saw the picture link hadn't worked so I re-did it :)


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 7:18am

Yeeehah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have started to find out the history of our boat!!! I'm so thrilled!!!!

I contacted a lovely man called Hugh Conway-Jones who runs the website http://www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk - www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk and he provided me with the following information..

I was visiting the Gloucestershire Archives today, and so I looked up Transmare in the local
Shipping Registers. I found that in 1949 she was owned by surgeon Ewart William Evans of Hagley
Lodge, Hagley, Worcs. She was described as a cutter-rigged pleasure yacht with a wooden hull and the
Official No 182755. She was 52.5 ft long and 11.5 ft wide, 11.77 tons register, and she was powered
by a 6-cylinder Chrysler petrol/paraffin engine turning a single propeller.

Note that there is no mention of her being a ferry, and I do not think she would have been suitable
for that role on the Severn. Note also that the official number has an extra digit compared with
that quoted on your website. The 11.77 tons register is not her weight but a maritime measure of the
volume available inside for cargo carrying (or for passenger accommodation in this case).
Unfortunately, the register does not record when the vessel was sold.

How cool is that??!!

And for a bonus... a fellow member of our sailing club (Paphos International Sailing Club), well his grandfather worked at the Rowhedge Ironworks where our boat was built!!! I will be getting what I can from him soon!

 a very happy bunny

 



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 17 March 2007 at 7:18am

Just to keep you all up to date...

I contacted the Rowhedge Regatta website and received a reply from one of the organisers. They would like to feature our boat in the Regatta Magazine as a former 'resident' of Rowhedge! They said they are always interested to hear from boatowners of Rowhedge built boats so I intend to meet up with this guy (whose name has slipped my mind...!) when I have been to the Rowhedge archives and might have more to tell him!



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 8:14pm

Further information!

(PS I'm back in the UK now for two weeks)

The Deputy Librarian of the University of Essex Library (a very kind gentleman by the name of Nigel Cochrane) contacted me back to say that he had done some research for me in the Rowhedge Collection.

He is 'fairly confident' that our pinnace is one of two commissioned by the Admiralty for HMS Hercules. SP149 and SP150 were powered by AG Mumford compound two cylinder engines and were completed on the 3rd January 1911 and 27th March 1911 respectively. He believes that SP149 is our boat as it is listed as being altered in Chichester in 1946 in a list of Rowhedge vessels compiled by John Collins in 1995.

Sadly, he says there are no sketches, photographs, drawings or specifications of either boat.

For those who would like to know...

HMS Herecules has the distinction of being the first boat to be launched during the reign of His Majesty King George V.  It was built at Palmers in Jarrow, laid down July 1909 and completed August 1911. She was a Colossus Class Dreadnought Battleship of 20,600 tons, length 546 ft (166.4m), beam 85ft (25.9m) and draught 26.3ft (8m). She fought at the Battle of Jutland in 1916. In 1918 she was detached to take the Allied Armisitice Commission to Keil. Reduced to Reserve Fleet in 1919 and in 1921/2 she was scrapped at Kiel.

So now I have a service number, I can try to get her service history- but I will have to apply for both and see what I can find out...  keep you posted!



Posted By: northeastuser
Date Posted: 31 March 2007 at 8:47pm

Its nice when you find some history about your boat. Nice feeling to finally put it all together. Congrats and keep it up! Best of luck in your research.



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Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 10:38am
Hows this for strange. Transmare ISN'T a pinnace- she's a Steam Harbour Launch. I think this is now in the wrong forum- can someone move it????

The Deputy Libarian did some further research- and the new information he told us ties in with information Hugh Conway-Jones passed on to me so Transmare was a home boat rather than one that has travelled the world!


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 02 May 2007 at 9:26am
New website all about Transmare

http://transmare.dragonflyriver.com - Transmare@ DragonflyRiver.com


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 30 May 2007 at 1:18pm

So, we now have information from the owner before last of Transmare (he is a Master aboard a super yacht! Currently 'out' but will be back in Cyprus soon- other half spoke to him as he was bringing his 60-something metre yacht into harbour.....)... he tells us that they (him and missus) knew Transmare was a harbour launch but the guy who bought it off him thought that 'pinnace' sounded more romantic than 'harbour steam launch' and decided to sell the boat as such.

The ceiling in the saloon is all pitch-pine- deck is teak. He says also that they were the ones to glass over the decks as the Navy/Admiralty/whoever had tried in the past to make repairs and the deck was in a very bad way so they (or possibly the previous owner- not sure at the moment) had little choice but to try and do something to stop the rot.

When he gets back to Cyprus, he is going to dig through the archives and copy everything he has about the boat (obviously not the personal photos etc) but he has bits about the history and thought that she was originally in service in Dover Harbour. Apparently, his wife still has a very soft spot for the boat and gets a wee bit upset talking about her. We'd like to meet up with them when he gets back so that we can reassure them that Transmare is getting lots of love and attention.

They owned Transmare from 1980, and sailed from the UK in her in June of that year. The previous owner had been planning a world cruise in her. We know that she was in St Raphael marina from 1994/5 until we bought her- she was one of the first boats in the marina and I guess that her arrival there coincided with Mr S's starting work as a Master.

Mr S. also says that the ships number (begins with a zero he thinks) is stamped all over the boat (WHERE???!!!) and is on the prop shaft. So guess what I'm doing this afternoon?! He did also say that they had tried to research her history (in the days before the internet) but ran into problems with previous owners having moved (or possibly deceased) and running into many dead ends.

We are both looking forwards to meeting up with them and finding out more from them- and letting them know what I have found out too!

As ever, will keep you all posted (I've also got to update the website now!!)



Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 30 May 2007 at 6:12pm
Boatbird, starboard side of the stempost (inside) is a good place to start, when you see the Skipper can you show him a picture of the "Sabre" style hull which was at Limassol to see if he knows anything about it if you would please.


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 1:13pm

what's a stempost???? (oops hahahaha)

I will try and ask him- he's based near to Limassol so he might know a little more about it. He watched the slow deterioration of 'Elim' but doesn't know where that pinnace ended up.

He also told Him Indoors that Transmare's masts came from a dutch steel boat, her bowsprit is another boat's mast and parts of her indoors came from other boats. We have (unknowingly) continued that tradition- her galley sink came from White Star (a Soviet built boat that kept sinking in the harbour), her stove from a guy in England (updating his stove to keep up to date with the regulations concerning cut-off valves), and her soon-to-be-added rails for the foresails came from Fleetwood (a fibreglass boat that hit Moulia Rocks several years ago- don't know how they managed that one, Moulia Rocks not only have a light on them but are visible for about two miles!!!!). Apparently, the stanchions are salvaged from a butchers shop- must get the news on the how and why of that one!

 



Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 1:15pm

Oh, so the stempost is the most forward piece of wood. You seriously want me to stick my head inside the ***** chain locker??????? Thats icky!!

 

 Okay, needs must, will report back tomorrow and let you all know!



Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 4:23pm
 Use one of your no doubt many make up mirrors attached to a stick with a torch like a Customs rummage party. did you not get any tackle off the Coaster on the Rocks just West of you?


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 01 June 2007 at 9:18pm
Coaster??? Have you seen the size of it? Tell you what, you can scale the side of the dam thing and get any bits you want out of it!!!!

Oooooooh many makeup mirrors indeed...... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I don't do that many girlie things- make-up included! It's a once in a blue moon thing with me!

PS I still haven't looked yet (excuse/reason= too many work things on!)


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 02 June 2007 at 4:20pm
I have heard they are going to salvage the coaster soon, sorry I come from a generation where the women never went out without putting the face on first have you spotted the Exocet site yet?


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 9:03am
Salvage the coaster!!! You're having a laugh aren't you! This is Cyprus, nothing ever gets done here. The damn thing will be staying there- it's now a landmark and useful as it marks the place where the rocks are (they're not on a chart BTW and have no light or anything!) Apparently, it ran aground thinking it was heading in towards Limassol Port......

Tramontana- I don't need make-up... some of us are gorgeous enough without it

(Exocet???? where????)

Oh, stuck my head in the chain locker and can't see any numbers or anything useful. Could see lots of rust though so OH will be busy in there soon! That chain locker could carry two people inside it- it's huge!!!! Can't even find any numbers on the shaft which we have been told is original- but I did manage to see the stern gland which is something even OH hasn't seen....


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 03 June 2007 at 4:01pm
Boatbird, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I will be into see you with the family next year for a pair of glasses With the price of steel shooting up the Chinese will soon have the Coaster reduced to produce in no time, next place to look for a number is on the inside of the transom, unless it has been renewed of course, p.m. you re exocet site.


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 3:05pm
inside of the transom... now remind me??????

Ah, now that would be the part of the boat that has been changed... see the pictures in my gallery! It's definately not going to be there!!

Next suggestion???


Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 07 June 2007 at 5:31pm
As she is an old classic boat and people have changed her to suit their needs which has of course  helped in her preservation it make's it difficult to find her number but I am sure that somewhere on board will be a number even written in pencil that will turn up one day, in the meantime can you list her previous names and dates please and I will have a search after the Hol's


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 08 June 2007 at 4:44pm
Official Number 182755. SSR number 101755(?? I can't remember this off-hand!)

Believed to be Rowhedge Vessel number S84 or S85 taken into service as HL (Harbour Launch) 174 or 175.

She has always (out of service time obviously!) carried the name Transmare. Built 1912, was registered in Gloucester for definite in 1949, motor changed in 1943 (confirmed) which is when we believe she was sold out of service (unconfirmed).

We have been told she is listed in the Lloyds Register but haven't seen it ourselves (which would be something!).

Previous owner before last thinks that the boat may have used in Dover Harbour. We're waiting for him to finish a holiday and get back to us with any information that he might have.

Thank you for trying!


Posted By: BoatBird
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:03am
Contemplating the sale of Transmare. Sad days :(

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Posted By: tramontana
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 2:08pm
Hello B.B., although it's a bit late to say now you appear to be selling your boat, but I have been looking at the photo's on your website, the hull valve in the starboard side cupboard is the old boiler blowdown valve of which there were two, one on the boiler then a length of copper pipe and then the ship side valve you have retained which is original to the boat I would guess, as you see you need a special key to move it as this was an open/closed safety device when blowing the boiler down when the boat is in the water which was quite tricky as you have to have one hand on the copper pipe and one on the valve handle. As soon as the copper pipe went cold you had to shut the valve quickly to prevent salt water entering the boiler which was a no no, not forgetting that all this was done under steam pressure in the boiler to blow the boiler water out as the ship side valve is/was under the water. The v/v is of a tapered plug type and can be a pig if they do not seat properly after being moved. Although I know it's a bit late now but bearing in mind the age of the valve I would put a blanking plate on that bare flange not unless you decide to scuttle her



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