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Christian
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Posted: 15 May 2007 at 8:29pm |
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Yes but... There's stacks of Fairmile B's still around, and they were built using the same methods and materials. Most were/are in commercial service and/or private yachts, operating in salt water, and have been quite well maintained as such, whereas the D's were considered too ugly/ungainly for such service and ended up in freshwater creeks as houseboats on the whole, so I think it is fairer to say that they were mostly used and abused and left to rot which has led to their extinction, rather than the methods and materials used which have proved quite long-lasting in the B's. |
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marksaab
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Posted: 15 May 2007 at 10:32pm |
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Hi Never really considered the issue about some war boats being more "attractive" as private boats post war but how true it is, the displacement hull Fairmile A and B's do make for pleasing lines for yachts the exception maybe the lovely Whaleback that I see is still up for sale! John Lamberts description of the Fairmile build system in "Allied Coastal Forces" is superb and somehow seems very "advanced" for its day with each boat kit broken down to individual truck loads timed to arrive at the builders when required a process common place in modern car assembly now.
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tramontana
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 10:02am |
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There is no doubt the production methods used in the Fairmile's were advanced for their day and the other Fairmile's types are still around and looking good however, the vast majority of the "D's" were got rid of fairly sharpish by the Services becuase of Dry Rot problems in the hull which due to their construction and materials used it was not cost effective to eradicate as far as I am aware, The same problem did not occur with the "B,s"
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tramontana
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 11:09am |
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What I forgot to mention was that it was the extensive use of laminated materials on the "Ds" in particular that was the problem as the glues were not as good as today's, it also affected Mosquito's were joint,s failed and hundred's of Mosquito's were simply burnt after there engine's were chopped out, bearing in mind wood was a very valuable material after the War and in this area Merlin engines were tipped out of their packing cases and dumped because the wooden case was more valuable than the engine inside
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 11:00pm |
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Very interesting re the D above, did not know they used laminates and as you say, if the glue is not upto it, then big problems, even today ply can vary according to the quality of the glue. Did not know about the business with the Merlin engines and cases, now of course we would love the engines and not think twice about the wood!.
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Posted: 16 May 2007 at 11:29pm |
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The story about the Mossies is interesting, very few survive compared with "normal" planes of the same era, used similar build techniques to a lot of boats though, composite fuselage with ply/balsa/ply, wings mainly spruce, when left standing the fuselage went first the wings lasted a bit longer, in humid areas i.e. jungle, they just "un peeled" but the pilots refused to stop flying them! There is a true story about an RAF safety inspector who when he saw what state they were in simply took a saw a cut the outer wings off to stop them being flown!! Get to the Mosquito Museum in Hatfield if you can, its a mile or so from me, very interesting! Lots of them were at Hatfield after the war they were simply cut up with chainsaws and burnt! M Edited by marksaab |
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Posted: 17 May 2007 at 9:09am |
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The thing about wartime built boats is that it is best policy to buy one that was built early on in the War when the pre War bought stocks of timber were still available as later on they just used any wood (within reason) to keep going knowing that their Service life would be quite short if they were not written off first due battle damage or being sunk. That is why A,s B,s and C,s were well built ,D,s on the other hand were only expected to have a short life and as you are most probably aware even the fairly new D,s that were converted to L.R.R.C.s were not even brought back from Fanara, Egypt, they were left out there as Officer,s Quarter,s becuase they were expendable. Even after the War wood was in very short supply as well as accomodation and that is why people bought boats to live on, some of them turned over Miss Peggoty style, getting back to the subject it is thank's to these people that so many hulls have survived, just look how H.S.L. 102 is now.
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Christian
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Posted: 17 May 2007 at 9:23am |
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Thanks Tramontana, that is clear to me now. Unseasoned wood explains their relatively shorter lifespan. The same applies to early and late 60ft GS Pinnaces and 72ft HDMLs, in addition it seems some yard's boats were generally shorter-lived than others, so perhaps some yards had better access to pre-war stockpiles than others, or simply stored and treated their stocks differently.
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Posted: 17 May 2007 at 3:35pm |
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Christian, as you are aware Scott- Paine was not a fool when it came to making money, look at the deal he made on the Packard's, he also I understand bought a complete cargo of wood before the War started, that is why in my view a British Power Boat hull was and still is one of the best in the business and even now a good 2nd ,3rd, 4th---- hand buy over 60yrs on. Other company built hulls require a bit more investigation (when&where built) their Mantra was as long as it floated and you could fire a gun or launch a torpedo or both of it then it was cost effective in a wartime situation.
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I know this an old thread, but thought I'd update on what happened to these. The MGB was actually an Air Sea Rescue boat, possibly a 100 type, though I recall a step in the deck in line with the wheel-house. She was called the Luckey Dollar (yes, spelled wrong) and we helped raise her when she sank in the upper basin. When the harbour was cleared of old boats to be drained for repair work, she was towed up to Paisley and sat on a mooring there. She deteriorated and was eventually destroyed. I remember being told she was the only surviving type with the original wheel-house. The Whale-back was called Zakana. She was abandoned when the harbour was drained, and we ended up owning her. She was in a really poor state, the deck had been covered in concrete to keep the rain out and she was rotten. But we moored her in the outer harbour with a view of finding someone who might be able to save her. But during a storm she was blown on to the shore and dried out at low tide. This caused her to heal over, and when the tide came in, her open exhaust ports flooded the hull. When the tide went out again the weight of the water inside ripped the whole of the starboard side out. I have pictures somewhere. She quickly fell apart and there was nothing but a few port-holes left to save. A sad end to two lovely boats. |
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