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   As you say Christian an interesting question, looking at the photo's do you think it was a post War  Cold War mod? if so it could be to give the boat extra protection when using the highly secret anti-frogman device which operated between two vessel's running on a  parallel course at a fixed distance apart, pioneer might have come across it in his time with Grey Funnel, very cheap but very effective I understand. In regards to the racks they were set back from the side to prevent the depth charge catching anything when docking from what I can see, once they were released there was no control on where they went in a rough sea with the wind catching the flat side,  it would as you say strenghthen the deck where the carraiges where placed as it would be difficult to put another beam insde the hull, abit like modern tankers that now have their deck girders on the deck instead of underneath Them.

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tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 February 2008 at 10:17am
	As you say Christian an interesting question, looking at the photo's do you think it was a post War Cold War mod? if so it could be to give the boat extra protection when using the highly secret anti-frogman device which operated between two vessel's running on a parallel course at a fixed distance apart, pioneer might have come across it in his time with Grey Funnel, very cheap but very effective I understand. In regards to the racks they were set back from the side to prevent the depth charge catching anything when docking from what I can see, once they were released there was no control on where they went in a rough sea with the wind catching the flat side, it would as you say strenghthen the deck where the carraiges where placed as it would be difficult to put another beam insde the hull, abit like modern tankers that now have their deck girders on the deck instead of underneath Them.

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2008 at 6:45am
	Can I just check that we are talking about the same area ie the thicker rubbing strake which runs from the Transom to just for'ad of the exhaust's. You are right Christian post build mods had to be done to prevent "flexing" however that puzzled me as I felt the strenghthening would be right along the hull and not stop around half way along and would be done to all boats which it isn't by the photo's on that very good site you indicated. Now having finally dug out my Lambert&Ross it would appear that the same "mod" was fitted to Fairmile B's see page 42 as well as D's see page 222 but only those capable of carrying depth charges/ mines. The strenghthening was done by steel angle plates which were under the extra thickness rubbing strake whose purpose was to give extra clearance in that area when coming alongside. As it was a Wartime built in measure my comments regarding the Post/Cold War anti Spetsnaz equipment are not relavant. RBDG &n bsp; &n bsp; &n bsp;

Bob Butcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 12 February 2008 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Butcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2008 at 11:41am
	Hi Christian & Tramontana, Thank for you all your interactions, clearly the general concensus is that there is a timber on the deck edge which runs across the transom and along port and starboard sides. Tramontana, are you referring to Lambert & Ross, volume 1? The only books I possess are Lambert & Ross Volume 1, Anatomy of the ship "Fairmile D" and L.C. Reynold's Dog Boats at War and as I live in Turkey it is impossible for me to visit the library or obtain other books. In the 1980's I visited Shoreham and photographed a Fairmile D which was being used as a house-boat. I am finding it difficult to lay my hands on these photos at the moment but I seem to recall that there were sections of original timber along the edge of the deck which ran to the guide pulley on the prow. Do you think this would have been a mod or would it have been as the boat was originally built? If I was to run this section of timber along the deck would it be incorrect? The Model of the Fairmile D I am constructing is built using drawings by John Lambert/David MacGregor and is all in the original timber. Could either of you advise me as to whether or not the boat should be painted to make it authentic? I really appreciate the input that you are giving as after getting to this stage I would hate to make a mistake and spoil the model. Regards, Bob Butcher ;
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northeastuser Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 10 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 446	Post Options Post Reply Quote northeastuser Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2008 at 2:40pm
	I think we would all love to see a pic of your model.

johnk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1355	Post Options Post Reply Quote johnk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2008 at 4:54pm
	Indeed! shots of the D at Shoreham would also be great if you can find them, I only made it to see a burning pile of timber, though I do have Phil Simmons book of with all the shots of the boats there a few years back. JohnK

tramontana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 418	Post Options Post Reply Quote tramontana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 February 2008 at 6:58pm
	Hello Bob, the book I eventually found is called "Allied Coastal Forces of World WarII Vol 1 Fairmile Designs & U.S. Sub Chasers, like yourself I tend to put things in a safe place and forget where I put them having had them for many years I have just looked at the book and there is a photo of the Medway boat, the plank I think you are refering to running up to the eye is not as built but is a common practice to seal up hull planking end rot where it abuts the deckjoint on old boats. Normally it is the standard "D" shaped wood rubbing strake in that position, there is no toe rail on the stanchion line from what I can see on the new build vessels. &nbs p; RBDG.

Bob Butcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 12 February 2008 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Butcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 February 2008 at 10:04am
	Could anybody let me know whether there is a company which sells brass pins size 3mm long and 0.3 diameter. This would save me hours of work filing larger pins down. Being a complete novice on the internet I have not yet mastered the art of sending photos but hope to get advice at the end of this week. If so, I will post some. Bob Butcher
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Christian Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 17 June 2005 Location: Gibraltar Status: Offline Points: 775	Post Options Post Reply Quote Christian Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 February 2008 at 10:19am
	Hi Bob Suggest you join up here, it is a very informed modelling forum; http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php For sure someone there can answer your question.

Bob Butcher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 12 February 2008 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob Butcher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 February 2008 at 1:24pm
	Hi Christian, Joined modelboatmayhem as you suggested but unfortunately had no replies. Can anybody please advise where I can locate solid brass pins size 3mm x 0.3 diameter to save myself hours filing down larger. Enclosing a few shots of the boat built at a scale of 37.5/1 (crazy scale!!). Hope the photos are ok. Bob Butcher
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BLUEBIRD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote BLUEBIRD Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 March 2008 at 12:16pm
	hi ya there Bob the pins you require - are they similar to what we class as brass building pins - i.e. small nails for nailing the planking? or, are they some other type of 'straight' pin - I have been looking at the dimensions of the pins you require (3mm long by 0.3 diameter) is very very small diameter. I was thinking could you use a nikel plated dress making pin? but, I have just checked the diameter of those & they are 0.6mm diameter. I myself use a Company in the UK - its called E.K.P. Supplies their address - The Old Workshop, Bratton Fleming, Nr Barnstable, North Devon, EX31 4SA - telephone - U.K. - 01598 710892. They are also on the web if you do a google search on the web. I buy a lot of 1.00 mm diameter nuts and bolts from E.K.P. (as above) and they may be able to help you out with your pins. Good Luck. aye, John e, Bluebird