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    Posted: 04 February 2008 at 12:50am

Hi all, this is my first post on the forum. I've been reading it for a while, and thought I would register.

I'm a military history researcher, and at the moment I am writing some articles for a military history magazine. I've managed to get hold of a fascinating account by a young Naval Officer who was a midhsipman onboard MTB630, part of the 55th MTB flotilla. This boat guided in the minesweepers to sword beach, the idea being that a wooden vessel would be less likely to detonate mines.

This account is facinating and I am working on an article on the exploits of the MTB's during Operation Neptune. MTB630 was a Fairmile Dog Boat, which apparently was donated to the girlguides after the war as a training boat. Already after a couple of days of research this should be a very interesting story. I've found quite a few useful illustrations and other sources.

I would be very grateful for any suggestions anyone might have. In particular I would be very interested in getting some shots of a surviving Dog boat, indeed if any survive. I will be sure to post up anything interesting that I find.

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Hi Jamesdaly,

 

Most interesting your above, be interested to see the article at some time, so the girl guides got a D boat! presume it was minus engines as with many also used by the sea cadets as HQs. For technial details and some history on the Ds see John Lambers Anatomy of the Ship series, see web-site on the links page, unfortunatley there are no whole D's left, bits of one at Chatham on the river Medway, and recently shots of one in Norway,bot  on this forum. Hope this of interest,

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Hi JohnK,

thanks for your reply. its a shame theres not a complete D boat left anywhere, I was discussing the other day with the curator at the D-Day Museum that everyone seems to automatically think of Vospers when they think of MTB's.

As for it being used by the Girl Guides, I actually managed to find a picture of it being visited by the Queen (Princess Elizabeth as she was then) and Princess Margaret on a random Russian photo agency!

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Hello James

I don't think the photo on the Russian site is a dogboat, as they did not have fore and aft deck planking;

http://www.fotobank.ru/image/T013-4538.html

These photos are of MTB 630 on the River Dart in 1948;

http://www.jamd.com/search?text=river%20dart

 



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Hi James,

No problem, indeed Vospers seem to come to mind with a lot of people, but of course many others ie British Powerboat Co. Yes, a pity we have no D's surviving, bit of a bee in my bonet, but there it is, of course we have other great examples of coastal forces craft around MTB 102, HDML Medusa worth looking up, links again on this web-site.

 

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Hi Christian and James,

 

Just been onto the sites, indeed, the first shot of the Princess coming aboard is some much larger craft than a D but the ones on the Dart are much more likely of 630. Great shots anyway, odd on a Russian site,

 

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thats a shame about the Princess shots. Theres some nice images on Getty of MTB630, as far as I can tell they are the only surviving images that are definitely of the boat. There are a few in the IWM collection - unfortunately they arent on their online collection, but they are in Jefferson's book on Coastal Forces - of unidentifiable boats from the 55th flotilla moored at HMS Hornet, with the distinctive shark teeth on the bow.
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It looks like something the size of a Cruiser or possibly a Battleship the Princesses are boarding, nice "Tiddley" bow on the Jack in the background, I understand from a reliable source that the part "D" is  still around in Norway johnk  
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Thanks for that Ron, well, Norway is quite a step! understand from recent correspondence elsewhere, people have bits of the one ex Shoreham, but the Norway vessel looked a bit more complete at least from the Starboard side, the Chatham vessel is really on the bow section with a bit of hull from there back a few feet. As talked about before, just trying to flag up with others, that this stuff is still kicking around before it is all gone, as so much of our historic heritage has already, except perhaps if you used to carry tea and you can get an "emergency" 10 mill!

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Johnk, trying to get an exact location to see if it can be "googled". In regards to Dog boats and Sea Cadets/Scouts, the boats were only on loan and I did go aboard the one at Scarborough, as far as I remember her engineroom and fuel tanks were stripped out and the area was planked out and used as interior quarter deck/ classroom, she must have had her stern gear still in place (possibly minus propellors) as she was moored against the East Wall of the Outer harbour which is the only part of the area that did not fully dry out (the entrance has since been blocked off). Our boat could take the ground and we moored right inside next to the Vincent Pier whereas my Uncles boat was twin screw and could not so he was moored behind the "D" which is how I come to be aboard her. As far as I remember she was stripped taken into the Bay burnt and sank which is I think what happened to most of them, unlike Fairmile B's they did not appear to have a lot of Post Service interest if someone was looking for a large Motor Yacht in fact I can't ever remember seeing one in Private hands although some most probably were "but not a lot". Certainly if there was any in Private hands they would be in the Med doing a bit of "Midnight Trading" in tea bags and the like In regards to Vosper and M.T.B.'s, to use n.e.u.'s term it is a bit generic like Biro or Hoover as a lot of people think Vosper when talking about M.T.B.'s which is a credit to the Company however in the years I have been looking around Marina's both here and Abroad for Wartime built boats I can count on one hand the times I have come across a Vosper whereas B.P.B. built boats seem to last forever, they were certainly never built to last over 60yrs, I think it was 10yrs at the very most if they were not blown out of the water first11
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